I would like to repond to your post on the 4-175 White. I'm afraid I will have to diagree with the others who responded to you question. 1. The 4-175 we owned was an excellent tractor. It was quiet comfortable, and did every thing we ask of it. We used it on a 12 row planter, we sidedressed NH3 with it, we used it on a 12 row crop cutivator, and pulled a 11 shank chisel plow with it. As you can see we did not try to pull it's guts out on 30' equipment, or ask it to pull implements which neede 300 hp, we had a traactor for that. 2.When we traded it off it had somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 hrs. the problems we had with it during that time was the hydraulic pump, and the air conditioner. 3. We also owned a 7580 Allis, and I can tell you with out a doubt that is the most worthless piece of junk Allis ever built, run, don't walk away from one of them. 4.Don't let these guys scare you about the CAT 3208, I have owned 5 of those motors, and quantray to popular belief they are not throw away engines. They have more torque off an idle than any thing in it's class, with an inline 6. DCW SCMI.