Combines All forward bars

[posum]

Try the f-2 bar at about the 7 o-clock position seemed to help us with rotor loss. all our crops are easy to thrash. the f-2 bar is to improve seperation not to increase thrashing action--just my opinion. also easier to do than changing bars. 10 minute job.

 

[Pengs5]

Thanks Umm i've forgotten where this f2 bar goes . Is it a drum bar of a f2IJ Where am i putting it IJ thanks again pengs5

 

[Rolf]

G'day Garry You could also try taking the helicals of the rear back section of the separator! this allows the material to make an extra part rotation around the sep section. Bit more separation time!but not use any power! It did help a lot on the Bison here! Rolf Would you believe it! We got 40 mm of rain three days after we had finished our Recreational harvest! :roll: Two months early would have been nice!

 

[sidekick]

It is a concave bar not a cylinder bar.Only about a foot long.

 

[NDDan]

Sidekick is right it was a concave bar that would go in place of the channel iron concave bar on the old closed concave Gleaner conventionals. It is not for threshing when installed in the rotary for it would fasten to the belly of seperator side of a N5. First you would remove the bottom helicals from seperator side to make room for it or them. In fact you may want to just remove them helicals first even if you don't have a stationary rasp to fasten in there. If you have the peg bars you could very easy give them a try first. I know of one Aussie that installed them one time on a hyped up N7 and he figured they helped him a bunch. I would not use the peg bars in conjunction with any reverse bars and or you would likely want to remove them for canola. Removing the helicals from belly will kind of give you four pegs accross the bottom plus relieve the pressure of kernals that are hugging the side of helical. Good luck

 

[Pengs5]

Right oh will try these things its sort of caught me because finally got some decent crop as its been doing very little last few years since i went with the forward mods etc. I do like how it does'nt rubble so much in tough stuff and eats acres 7mph in 36 Bu wheat 4.0mph in 70 Bu wheat. Rotor loss i was complaining about was 50 to 100 kg Ha to much for me but my sheep are'nt complaining. What about those two tin cage covers very left and very right has any one ran with out them IJ Did N7's run with out any IJ I run all them thick metal ones in canola other wise it wants to jump right threw thresher area and block sweep. thanks everyone. Nearly xmas eve ROM and we want to hear the 400 ton in a day N7 story pengs5

 

[R_O_M]

looks like the site is playing up again. I just had a big long screed written out and lost the lot when I tried to preview it. This is too good a site to lose so maybe some semi retired computer literate ex ag guy should look at taking the site over and revamping it.

 

[bucko]

Hi there, seems to me that if threshed wheat is passing right along the rotor, then it must be being entrapped in the other material and not being allowed to pass through the cage. Maybe there is to much straw being harvested, and a higher header may help, or too much ground speed might cause the same problem, or perhaps the easy to thresh wheat is encouraging you to use a low rotor speed. I guess a greener straw may cause the same problem, and I mention this because of the much lower harvesting temperatures we are experiencing on the south east NSW areas of Australia. It seems I have a similar hyper setup on my N6. I only use the plates on the right hand side of the cage. This is just me theorizing the problem, hope it causes an idea to come to mind all the best for the festive season

 

[R_O_M]

Trying to remember when I lied to you about that 400 tonnes per day! I will have to round Rolf up on that one. One of the most interesting crops we ever harvested was a 42 bus _ acre wheat crop with the N7 when we bought it in 1983. We decided that to debug it and run it in, we would do some contracting about 75 kms north of us as their crops on lighter soil were ready a fortnight before ours on the heavier soils. One crop we got the job on was owned by the local member of the state Parliament, That wheat crop was very thin but well headed. How well headed we were about to find out! With the 30 foot front, we just could not load that N7 up so we just kept right on pushing that handle forward and when we ran out of travel we went up to the next gear. Well at about 14 MPH [ not KPH but MPH ] we finally had her loaded. A few calculations and we figured that the crop was going about 42 bus _ acre which over the weigh bridge it actually did. The proud owner arrived to inspect progress and nearly had a heart attack as we left a contrail behind us. He scratched around there for a half an hour in that stubble until finally I nearly ran him down as he tried to climb aboard at speed. He was after all, only a politician! He bellowed in my ear; Your'e going too bloody fast, and then sort of calmed down and said ; Buggered if I can find anything back there so you might as well keep going. His old truck was flat out going just to his storage a half mile away and making it back in time to empty the field bin again. One very unexpected outcome was the hypnotic effect of that high speed reel spinning in front of you combined with the concentration. The disorientation came on quite suddenly after about two hours driving. I went to hell in a bread basket in that cabin in a couple of minutes and sort of fell down the steps with my brother casting serious aspersions on my intestinal fortitude. He got in and right on the two hours also fell down the steps begging for mercy. I have never seen or had the luck to ever harvest a crop like that one since and I don't ever expect to harvest another freak crop like that again. I had a crop that came close to that some years earlier in the early 1970's before we moved into the Gleaners. That 60 bus _ acre wheat crop was harvested with a 20 foot self propelled Shearer header. I knocked off 800 bags [ 2400 bus ] in 4 hours including stops to empty in that particular effort. That crop was also very thin like you could drive a mob of sheep through it with out knocking any down but still went it's 60 bus _ acre. The N7 figures in that politician's crop were around 58 tonnes hour while we were moving but we ran out of paddock well before the end of the day and never even thought of measuring our daily tonnage. Besides the owner wanted it off and no messing around. The one local big and self important operation with two JD's not far away were skiting over the radio on their tonnage per day until a couple of the local truckies who were carting from the N7 and had worked out how much we were knocking off each day in other crops, really put them right back in their box. They were not happy chappies when the galvinised iron opposition made their figures look like a couple of kiddies playing in their sand box. One of the Gleaner Techs here in Australia had got into the engine governors to boost the N7 for a demo at our major broad acre field days and we suspect that forever after that N7 was probably pulling around 350 hp the way it used to go. Fantastic in dry cereal crops but an absolute disaster in anything a bit green and tough until just before we sold it we when we started to incorporate some of JR's ideas from central Victoria. I will have to check with Rolf on the figures we got with the Bison rotor last season. This year is an almost total wipe out so life is pretty hard at the moment.

 

[Pengs5]

Thanks Bucko yeah your on the right track Some Paddocks had darger black areas (frost )like 50% then normal looking ,normal looking a bit denser and higher 2inchs so was cutting to get low stuff which had 50% to 100% less grain and small grain 30%, so was taking more straw than usual because one end of header in good other end in bad and yes straw was tough and a little green .The good parts were in last years trash out of basically stock spreader chaff trail about 12 feet wide middle of machine. Hmmmm need to follow up a better straw _chaff spreader after this experience ,i know a lot of people have but i've never worried about it much till now .It needs to be HYPERED . Just fussy cause we ran standard specs with reverse bars for 14yrs with very little loss but have'nt had decent general dry land crop with this setup last 4_5 years. I will try other things first before putting reverse back in as i like the way it runs without rumble as use to only harvest irrigated wheat in heat of day because fear of blocking rotor in the cool of night_ early of a morning. Also weight of grain played a part i think as test weight was 69 and i'm usually in 78 to 82's per hectolitre (sorry US folk)and that was what was in bin wished i tested some off ground for arguments sake so centrifugal force i suggest. Ground speed was probaly avg 5mph rotor speed was 900rpm Early sown wheat went 0 to 1.7 % screenings 79 wght APH2 and lower rotor loss than later sown which went bad with this loss. Wish i'd have tried cage fingers which i never have used. Anyway was yielding ok did'nt adjust sensitivity on loss monitor got stuck into it and beat 4inchs of rain (Hence the green strip down left wheel track ) (Footnote Spreader does'nt throw grain very far, Should'nt it IJ ) Others around with different colour machines similar story and purposely blowing small grain out. Anyway thats Harvesting and thanks for everyones input . Keep on hypering i was just putting out there this experience and i was bit dissapointed but gathered more conditions info and Dont think its the machines fault more mine and mother nature. Thanks again to everyones input thats what this site is all about and you are still all hereos_guru's Merryxmas pengs5