Combines Switched to lexion

Big_Al

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Hey Rod I see from your email you may be close to where I hang my hat. Was it the guys at Wardale that looked after your machine because if it was then I can see why you are changing colors. I live 6 miles from Yorkton and I have bought 8 axial flow combines over the years not one from Wardale. I bought them all from Midwest Tractor. As for service I deal with the guys from Miller's they make you feel like a valued customer. I also buy my parts from them when I am in the aera. In fact I was in Yorkton just today went to Wardale for a calender and receptionist said they ran out what a crock I was in just before Christmas and asked the same thing they told me they were not here yet I wonder how many they got in maybe 6 lOl. Rod did you buy your lexion from Kramer if you did were you dealing with Kiley I think he is a combine specialist with Kramer I know him well. If you are in Yorkton sometime we could meet and have a gab. I will email you Rod all the best in 2006
 

Case_Farmer

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Nothing in particular but i don't talk with the guys to often who run them Cab noise and some other things people point out My case sprayer salesman's dad has a deere and cat and he's wanting a 2388 badly but from what he said overall not too bad of luck with the cat Good luck with it and let us know what you think overall
 

Case_Farmer

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Also i forgot to say in southern ill There is NO Dealer support so thats a big killer Probably the main thing holding them back
 

CORNKING

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Please tell us what problems they are having with the 8010.With all your expertise. Not trying to start a war I would just like to know what things you pointed out to engineers that they blew you off on.The 8010s around here all the people got along very well I think there must be around 10 to 12 so I think that would be enough out to find out if they got them right. Waiting to here your answers.
 

rockford

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Hey Big Al is your salesman Ron,I have bought a couple of pieces of equip. from Midwest tractor over the last few years. They sure sell a lot of combines there in a year, at least 3 new 8010 this year. One guy in my area ran 2 2004 8010 this year but is going back to 2388 next year. They had a lot of trouble with them.
 

Harvester

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Sorry for the delay. I only get around to checking every few days. I suppose I was venting a bit at Case, perhaps hoping that someone within the organization would hear the frustration that exists out here and the need to change things fast. Here 8010s are being traded off for green, yellow, and even back for 2388s. They have stubbed their foot and it will take time to fix that reputation. like I said, there are many good things, but those are not what farmers are talking about. Cleaning shoe geometry. High moisture corn is most pronounced. Recent '05 updates did help, but still not up to par with JD and Cat combines cleaning systems in this condition. '03 and '04 machines were terrible and this was known to Case reps in this area as soon as we discovered it. Stroke and speed of sieve box not right for North American crops, perhaps okay on the New Holland TX. Pneumatic returns conveyor. I'm still scratching my head over this one. Perhaps my biggest beef. I've been around combines for many years now and one of the most fundamental rules of a cleaning system is that you don't disrupt the air pattern of the cleaning fan. So I'd like to know who thought of this pressurized pneumatic returns blower to convey the tailings back into the shoe. The area at the top of the chaffer must have a blanket of air in order to keep chaff levitated and in suspension. The returns system blows material and air perpendicular to the blanket of air above the chaffer and throws the whole air pattern awry. Very frustrating in wheat and soybeans. A couple minutes with a camera mounted back there and they can see what it's doing. Self-leveling cleaning system. Good concept, way too complex. The drive system for the SlS has far too many moving parts and grease fittings. Granted, this is nothing more than a borrowed concept from the New Holland TX, but there should have been some improvement. The electric actuator used in conunction with the inclination sensor fail with high frequency, and usually it has to be run in a fixed manner with a rod to lock out the leveling ability of the shoe frame because the system will have a mind of its own otherwise. A hydraulic cylinder would be a much better choice here - spend the extra money on it. Also, while it is a good concept, if they could have gotten away with using a copy of Claas's 3D sieve, it would be far better. All the benefits but far, far less complicated and it's reliable. Also still need a better method of regulating material distribution on grain pan, particularly with this single rotor machine. The NH has such provisions, and in diverse small grains conditions especially, the ability to shift distribution is a plus. Electric shifting actuator. Similar to SlS problem above. The actuator can have difficulty shifting transmission gears and it has been necessary to use the emergency shifting wrench to manually change the gears on the transmission in order to get into 4th gear. Chopper shaft. The straw chopper shaft is heavily loaded on the machine's left side and there have been many failures at higher hour levels (read above 500 sep. hours). Rotor speed control pressure. Hopefully this was just a "supplier issue" as was told us. Time will tell. The CVT rotor drive is a great idea. Still have to get all of the hydraulic lines braced properly, as higher hour machines are failing key fittings due to vibration and fatigue. Hydraulic cleaning fan motors have failed. What was wrong with a beltIJ Other things that have appeared that I didn't point out to engineers but should be evident from the service and warranty records: Reliability of header drive countershaft gearbox Quality of various welds on machine Quality of idlers used Numerous nuisance electronic glitches that can disable machine for hours, even days during harvest Great job on the cab, though.
 

CORNKING

Guest
Well Mr Harvester all I can say is all these problems you say there is with this machine we have not had happen this year. last year yes I will agree with the seives and that whole list of updates. A year ago I was never so mad at peace of equipment. And we have well over 500 hrs on ours now. Were you the person that email me about the 8010 earlyer this fall most everybody I have talked to are having very good luck, I got about 10 e mails from people who read this site but do not post. I was really disapointed along with the other people that ran the lex on my farm that day.I could pick the lex and the Deere apart like you have on the red. like the old saying goes YOU CAN lEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CANT MAKE HIM DRINK. Good luck with what ever combine you choose and what I am saying run the combines side bye side and then choose, it was a eye opener here. The people that have them must like to pay high rates for service and parts. I have a 93 year dozer so I know what there rates are like 1650.00 to dump oil and filters thru the whole machine. I did it my self and got buy for less then 1000.00 and if I would have used some one elses oil it would have been less then 500.00. In closing I will say you bring up some valid points and hopefully your points will be adressed it will make for a better machine for all companys. like I said in other post no war just good discussion. Not much else being talked about on here.
 

Combine_Wizard

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Cornking, have you been to that other combine talk site, yetIJ How about you, HarvesterIJ What do you think about that if you haveIJ
 

Unit_2

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Cornking, I've been to the other site, in fact I've posted there several times. It has some nice features but this site is so much easier to get around in and much easier to have discussions in. At least that is the way I feel about it.